Skaven rulebook 8th edition pdf

As for the brass orc, it's a unique magic item, bringing back the orb spam from 7th ed would be a bad idea since the skaven book needed nerfs rather than buffs. I will limit the spells the Engineer can have to only be the ones that use warp energy. But limiting engineers to level 3 makes them pretty bad choices compared to plague lords who can be level 3 as well as decent fighters.

Hi Mathias, first I am really glad you are doing Skaven 8th as well. You are doing an amazing job. During my first overview about this project here are my opinions and wishes to some of the units which haven't been mentioned in the comments above yet: - Do you consider adding the new Vermin Lord rules specific for each clan? It would be one of the strongest characters in the game, as well being pretty save while hidden.

Changing back to the old one? The gamble was was one of the most fun parts ; As well do you already know when we can expect your new version? Im looking forward to it. I will release the new update later this week, just need to give it a little more polish first :.

Something else to get into the update if there's still time: The Dreaded Thirteenth Spell. Maybe I'm just a fool, but the only mention of it I find in the book is in Skreech Verminking's special rules, under "Master of Ruin".

The actual text of the spell is not listed under the magic lores, on the page of the Grey Seers, or anywhere else for that matter, and any magic users who should have access to it other than Skreech make no mention of being able to elect to take it. I think you misunderstood it a bit: "Roll one Artillery Dice to determine the range multiplied by 4 and strength of the shot. Before, the range was between ", now it's ", and the strength is the same as the official version.

It's supposed to be a random, short range cannon. On average, it will reach 20" and have S6, so I think it works quite fine.

Having read the book I do appreciate the effort you have gone to however, I don't agree with the sweeping nerfs you've put in. These put the Skaven squarely back in 6th edition with units from the End times books. The main thing I would point out is the mainstay rule, this was the worst rule. Unless you are playing a grand army battle all the time mainstay should be gone.

Additionally, the Gutter Runner snare nets added another dimension to using them making them especially useful when supporting combats. It's mainly there to ensure balance so you cannot just spam cheap units like slaves or giant rats, or just fill up your army with plague monks without having the proper character. I have not really seen any other complaints about it in 4 years.

Based on the rules and that we are a horde army if I'm playing a game using these rules I could play a small game of points or less, but then then we have a similar issue like what the Tomb Kings had, just ask a veteran Tomb kings player about 6th edition for them.

So for instance a tactic I like use is 3 small units of Jezzails. The reason is this has a better chance of causing damage than one big unit also this creates a problem for opponents in terms of shooting choice and deployment.

Based on the list I made using the mainstay rule I would need 3 big units of Clanrats, but this then leaves me short in terms of adding anything extra as I would only have 3 characters. Fair enough I would still have a horde somewhat but it's limited. This means all my tactics are now tied to my Clanrats.

Additionally, even when I have spammed cheap units it makes things harder and there is greater risk of panic, also I beat the last player who tried to spam slaves and giant rats they had a general and bsb in a unit of Stormvermin the rest of the units were slaves with a couple of giant rat units.

I took out the Stormvermin unit then the rest just went. Slaves and giant rats are there to take a beating, or support combats. I'm sorry I've been playing a long time and I've seen a lot and used many different tactics in battles and I don't agree with the mainstay in addition the loss of snare nets on Gutter runners takes away another strategic element of their use.

Likewise, Plague Monks being in core means you just need one unit of Clanrats for that one big unit of Plague Monks, so you are not really more limited there. Snare nets might make a return in their next update. I actually also don't like the mainstay rule, to me this kinda makes the other core units feel more special than the actual special choices.

Maybe it's the fact that I mostly play points, but then at that point level it does quite severely limit my options. For one, I don't think the slaves are really such a problem any more, given that they are quite severely nerfed with the anti-cold-blooded. Even when they are steadfast they have a very significant chance to flee from combat. Maybe if multiple small units is the problem you should just double the unit size of giant rats or something instead? I don't feel like an army made up from stormvermin, slaves and other special and rare choices is really unflavorful, so I also don't see any reason to make that impossible.

I also don't feel mainstay is something that ever happened in Warhammer before, perhaps another option would be to make the core units that you don't have clanrats for count for special, otherwise after filling up your core with a unit of clanrats and slaves it is easier to then add plague censers than plague monks or stormvermin, because censers don't interfere with mainstay. With your books you can kinda make a slave army more easily in bretonnia than in skaven, which I find kinda off-character on both accounts.

There are also a lot of other armies that have easy access to core cheap more useful redirectors and chaff. Besides this, it seems that you have some fear that an army loaded on with cheap choices would be overpowered, which I think should be worked out through nerfing or increasing unit size the nerfing already happened Anyway, I appreciate your work, please keep it up.

Yes I understand what the mainstay rule is having looked at this book and played since 5th edition, the rule was introduced in 6th edition.

I think you misunderstand what I mean by limits, I'm not talking about necessarily the limit on unit size I'm talking about the limits on flexibility when employing smaller elite units, having a few smaller units in this case Jezzails is better in terms of dice rolling and odds than one large unit. Regardless of whether Plague monks are core or special has no real bearing on the mainstay rule, it limits everything based on how many units of clanrats you field, in theory a player could field three small units but that would be a waste as a good round of magic or shooting would put paid to that, resulting in multiple panic tests.

Having a giant unit of plague monks in my experience isn't always a smart option even with a Plague furnace and character. The was a reason plague monks were listed as special choices. I see where you are coming from with mainstay to limit people spamming lots of units of slaves and giant rats but, the anecdote was referring to the fact that I have fought against that and beaten it quite effectively. A couple of minor things - I think the size of the FW Wolf rats means they should be 2 wounds and 2 attacks, also it would be helpful to clarify what happens to ikit claw and Boneripper if you roll a misfire for their flamethrower - should it be the same as for a normal flamethrower - in that you could remove the model completely, or maybe they take D3 wounds?

I think the Skaven skirmish units are made rather weak because they do not have ranks, things like the Doomwheel and gutter runners had LD 7 because they cannot have any ranks, nightrunners now also hardly have any LD because they got skirmish. Alternatively the strength in numbers could give LD buff for "ranks" of skirmishers even though they do not confer rank bonus?

I'd recommend using the 9th ed update; they can choose to not be skirmishers there. Tuesday, 6 October Skaven 8th ed book out now! After toiling away like a Skavenslave, I'm finally finished with version 1.

Clocking in at pages maybe should have tried to make it 13x13 , this is my longest book to date. Most of the changes have already been detailed in the previous blog post, but there are quite a few new ones not mentioned, so it's best to see for yourselves.

Certain things were buffed, others were nerfed, and most stayed relatively the same. The book should hopefully be a bit easier to use without the need for a 6 page FAQ and if need be, I'll patch the book as usual. Let me know of what changes you like, dislike, and want to see me fed to a Rat Ogre for, as well as the usual bugs that I'm sure are still present.

Updated: 16th Oct Changes are in the comments. Labels: Skaven. Roland Strom 6 October at Mathias Eliasson 9 October at Roland Strom 9 October at Marco 6 October at Unknown 6 October at Unknown 10 October at Skaven rules for One Hour Warhammer.

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